Sure lets look at a guy that posts a mid-.800 OPS and has a proven track record of premium pitching success and just assume thats where Strider would fall in five years?! Swansons on the up. The 21-year old made the transition from the bullpen to the starting rotation. If another team over values him based on his 2 week debut, the Braves should deal him. Question, Comment, Feedback, or Correction? LOL Strider had it Right all along. My guess is he re-signs w/the Braves. Baezs peak, two 6 rWAR seasons in 2018-19, are something Swanson only came close to in 2022 (though, pro rated, his 2020 would have gotten close). "There's nobody that has higher aspirations or expectations for performance than myself. Yesterday the Atlanta Journal- Constitution published an interview with Braves chairman Terry McGuirk in which he describes how the Braves financial success, since the new stadium, has allowed them to keep increasing their payroll and he projects that this will continue in 2023 and beyond: https://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-braves/how-the-braves-built-a-well-oiled-machine-that-could-be-here-to-stay/AMCXFCKNK5FATJ3WHTFDWRQCPY/. Does AA hypnotize these guys agents when theyre in the waiting room? By Steve Adams | October 10, 2022 at 11:03pm CDT. This information might be about you, your preferences or your device and is mostly used to make the site work as you expect it to. He easily would have been a Super 2 as well. The Braves said Tuesday they would push back Strider's next start in the hopes of avoiding a trip to the IL. Period. ET, many of these same folks were discussing an extension that could keep the rookie sensation in Atlanta until at least the 2028 season. Cant believe how many time the site posts the same comment. I guess writers should just pick the Braves for ten years because they won a World Series with a 88 win season. Fried wasnt this good out of the gate. ~$22M (Arb3) He had a 5-2 record with a 4.71 ERA, allowing 53 hits, 38 walks, and 89 strikeouts. Doubt theres one single reason that either the Braves or Strider decided this was the best course of action other than it benefits both parties. Wonder why they stupid overpay for him? The Marlins are one new owner away from being elite. He started 20 times and finished three . Thats worrisome! 2027: $20-22M. Add in that Yankees more than any other team have their games moved to ESPN and Fox, and its often a challenge to play the game of find the Yankees. Less games on YES, but no reduction in the carriage fee we pay. Thats the reverse logic he was trying to calculate for, but that doesnt make sense! The main difference is, Swanson still appears to be in his prime, while Baez was 2 seasons removed from it (and counting) as of the 2021-22 offseason, not to mention his catastrophic 2020 season, and leading the NL in Ks at the point he was dealt to the Mets and the attendant risks of that, plus his foolishness while on the Mets. Your Shane Spencer strawman garbage makes no sense as a comp for any extension the Braves have executed. Full-year historical Major League statistics provided by Pete Palmer and Gary Gillette of Hidden Game Sports. Its not if Strider has TJ surgery, but when he will have it. Still waiting to see the projection where two arb years are the same, factoring in the obligatory TJ surgery. If he is 2nd in ROY he gets huge bonuses and STILL qualifies for Super Two. Thats worth roughly $54m, if you can even buy a prime age #1 starter for 2 years. Most of his miscalculations are trigger happy overreactions to common slumps and overvaluing prime players, because he doesnt realize the extra value hes trying to quantify is the consistency they bring in being a star player. He played college baseball for the Clemson Tigers, and was drafted by the Atlanta Braves in the fourth round of the 2020 Major League Baseball Draft. 2025: $9-10M Already Subscribed? Half these contracts wont work out. They are very pleased to pay him. Now they have him locked in through 2028 with extremely team friendly option in 2029. Outside revenue sources will be adjusted when available after the regular season. Braves fans will be the first ones screaming when all these long term signing dont work out and the team starts getting hamstrung. He also only had 10 starts. If that happens, he will have 2 years and 3 days of service time. They could or locked judge up years ago now they are going to pay for it or not pay for it and lose their star. 2/100m? If you look at the Braves team what they have done extremely well is develop players. Ill I know is Harvey dominated in playoffs and Strider just got lit up. That means his annual salary isnt even going to be justifiable when factoring in the cost of living! Practically anyone who can browse streaming TV services in the first place can do it. His service time was at 2 years and 49 days and he did not qualify for Super 2. This might be the worst extension overpay I have ever seen. But Wont cripple the team either way & theyve locked up a young core. He actually has only three days in 2021, so hell be close to the bottom of his class. . To expand on your thoughts, which I agree with completely, there is a reason a hitter and a pitcher have different projected values as prospects, despite having the same ranking overall and the same overall future value. Bauer was coming off a season with a 4.19 ERA and had a 4.36 ERA in parts of 6 MLB seasons when he first hit arbitration. The Braves should evaluate Swanson based on his last 3 healthy seasons of play. Strider retired all three batters he faced Wednesday while throwing his first simulated game of spring training, Justin Toscano of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports. They overpaid him for his arbitration years by $12-15 million but saved like $36 million in those two free agent years. But Swanson is not nearly as good as those guys. Say it once, see it 4-5 times. No, hes *NOT* a Super Two candidate. Imo, hes got the Braves over a barrel because they have absolutely no in house alternatives to replace him. While I have been a fan of the other extensions, this extension scares me a bit. Even if you assume he will get less than Soto for whatever reason, then $7+mm, $14+mm, $22+mm, and $30+mm is extremely reasonable. Players use that as a bargaining tactic all the time. If Spencer doesnt get any better than he currently is, hes still an ace. Soroka has pitched 13 2/3 major league innings in the past 3 years, and no one knows if he will ever return to his rookie brilliance. Spencer Strider (left) and Michael Harris II are vying to give the Braves their seventh National League Rookie of the Year. Maybe MLB realizes that they werent actually racist. Yeah Strider might get bonuses but it wouldnt be coming from the Braves, it would be coming from the league as a whole. If Free Agents make $40M in five years, if hes healthy, if he remains productive. In 2023, Strider will earn a base salary of $1,000,000, while carrying a total salary of $1,000,000. It will cost money next year. Youd think some of these young Braves players would want to bet on themselves by waiting a few years. Swanson has not been nearly as good as Baez was prior to signing with the Tigers. He will receive an extra year of service time for that. Grissom has about as much chance of playing a capable ML SS as a fan picked at random when they come through the gate. All of this assumes he basically pitches like this year (not a full season, but elite performance) going forward. He made his MLB debut in 2021. Our reasoning for presenting offensive logos. 37 Blake Snell, SP, SD. But if we are anywhere near the same cutoff after next season that we were after 2021, Strider will miss Super 2 status by 110 days roughly or almost 4 months of being on the roster. hflew: This is the first pitcher (out of the 6 players) theyve signed to an extension. This is the opposite of the Acuna and Albies deals, this wasnt just stupid for the Braves, it will hurt every small market team who will no longer be able to lock up their young players to team friendly deals, so they can remain competitive. Winning is irrelevant. A visual look at how Spencer Strider ranks across the league, conference, division, and team. I could be mistaken on this because I dont follow the Braves as closely as you all do; but it seems to me that part of this is AAs (or Braves) intent on establishing the players relationship through goodwill too for the future. Strider played collegiate summer baseball for the Falmouth Commodores of the Cape Cod Baseball League in 2018. First of all, hes not a Super Two candidate, and even if he was, the Braves would have another year of control to where he wouldnt be a free agent until after 2028. Some recent examplesHarvey (lol), Matz, Gsellman, etc. Jean Segura, MIA. Do you have a blog? If you dont catch it and cancel the extra comments before the edit button expires, it looks like youve repeated the same post. In any case, thats not one of the issues with this contract. Only a bust if he needs TJ or other major surgery in a year or two. Contact doesnt increase as bat speed wains, hand eye coordination deteriorates, and eye sight worsens. He wasnt going any where for at least five years. It is for someone that age. Perhaps this is me remembering Mike Hamptons contract. Even if you think Strider will break arb records annually, they wouldnt have been absurdly expensive. If you think he deserves his contract, you are as tone-def as you are capable of catching a pun! Brilliant. With the shift going away, how can anyone think Olsons production is going to go down is beyond me. You? Cant see that happening. Id hate to be him if he becomes human in Atlanta over the next 6 years. Or how that extra service time effects Super Two qualifications. The 2029 club option gives the Braves control over what wouldve been Striders second free-agent campaign. Luis Guanipa, OF 12. TJ surgery for Munoz, Greene, and almost every other guy to hit 99+ mph. These deals were made after Matt Olson received his eight-year, $168 million deal one day after being acquired from the As in March. Spencer Strider has been a revelation for the Atlanta Braves in 2022 and they rewarded his incredible performance with a six-year $75 million contract. There are way too many moving pieces to just guarantee blowing past the luxury tax. Salary, Earnings, Spencer Strider- Birth, Age, Ethnicity, Siblings, Education, Spencer Strider- Relationship, Girlfriend, Physical Gamerz- Wiki, Net Worth, Girlfriend, Career. You are right about Striders value potentially increasing. But thanks to you I now have another person on my mute list. The Braves have zero middle infield prospects on their top 4 mil teams. Even if he does remain this good in a best case scenario, he would only approach the amount hes being guaranteed over those 2 pre-arb years and 3 arb years, and the team should get a significant discount on those arb years in such an early career extension, anyway. Spencer Robert Strider (born October 28, 1998) is an American professional baseball pitcher for the Atlanta Braves of Major League Baseball (MLB). us. They still unquestionably saved on Striders first two free-agent years, provided he remains healthy. One thing is certain: he divides his time between the four MLB teams. More importantly, has anybody ever heard of Chris Davis? We just cant afford to pay you market price. If that happens this is even worse of a deal than it looks like at first blush. It seems about in the right range. Extra year for winning division. Is your life so empty that you pore over comments in three week old articles in search of targets for your insults? Spencer Strider signed a 6 year / $75,000,000 contract with the Atlanta Braves, including $75,000,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $12,500,000. While I think the Strider extension is a good gamble on an excellent young arm, youre right that any pitcher can turn into a pumpkin due to poor health or performance. My bad for expecting anything you say to make sense. In Braves speak, that means hes hitting FA. You dont need to extend Grissom. The reason is pitchers are volatile. Cole has stated since he was in UCLA that he was a Yankee fan and wanted to be in pinstripes when he grew up, he was even drafted by the Yankees and chose college ball, but said it was a tough choice and hoped hed end up there eventually. $35M (2028 FA year). His service time was at 2 years and 148 days when he qualified for a difference of 145 days of service when a full season is 172 days. Rather pay him instead of 330 or whatever to Cole. Get it done AA. Is MLB ok with them now? AA is saving money collectively and signing his core players. Spencer Strider has a net worth of $1,167,934. Spencer Strider made his Major League Baseball debut in 2020 with the Mississippi Braves, the Gwinnett Stripers, the Augusta GreenJackets, and the Rome Braves. Ive had it with my cable provider. Of course, thats certainly not all the Braves will do this winter. Typical cutoff is around 125-145 days into the season! Id be shocked if Strider made more than $45 mil over the next 5 years in total if we let this all play out. Strider is expected to start in Game 1 of the series. Now stand in the corner and think about what youve learned today. Strider will make $1 million each of the next two seasons and $4 million in 2025. ~$9M (Super Two, Arb1) The more Atlanta does this, the higher the likelihood that at least one of these extensions ends up not working out for the team in the long run. The only other way to get that channel is to splurge on the ridiculously overpriced cable providers with their ever-escalating fees. Spencer Strider's Raw Stuff Is As Good As Any MLB Starting Pitcher. Some thoughtful Dodgers guys on here too. Spencer Strider baseball stats with batting stats, pitching stats and fielding stats, along with uniform numbers, salaries, quotes, career stats and biographical data presented by Baseball Almanac. The Braves pay their 1.66 mil per season regardless for that. This was risky to me as well. But they have shown the willingness to lock up their young stars. Really mature young man. Braves have got it going on. Click on the different category headings to find out more and change our default settings. We cant complain about how a big corporation treats people and not acknowledge when they get it right. Christian Academy of Knoxville (Knoxville, TN). I think that $40M is more like $45M, So they paid him a bonus of $25M in order to obtain a 1+1 extension for $22M + $22M, with a $5M buyout. Wouldnt be a bad time to offer him a 5-6 year deal at 100-120 mill. The dumb ones, like the Alderson-Eppler-Cohen Mets, traded 11 rWAR worth of MI for the privilege of giving Lindor $363m over 11 seasons because, as usual, they couldnt see what was right in front of them. Spencer Strider, RP, ATL. And no, he does not get credited with two years of service time for this year because he spent the whole year on the major league roster AND was a ROY finalist. Puts more AAV up front versus the higher luxury tax hit theyd eventually get if they went year to year through arbitration and/or later extensions. All of this doesnt even take into consideration if hes not an inner-circle HOF pitcher and has a fall off like Trevor Rogers. Who caes about Story and Baez past anyway? Can Story even play SS anymore? If they are playing in New York, they ask the team to pay their apartment rent or to finance the home they live in, they get extra money to offset the taxes. Paying for velo in todays game where everyone throws hard, is like paying $25M/year for Kiermaier to win GGs in CF. Spencer Strider has played for 1 team, the Atlanta Braves. The Braves have to account for that in their offer. Only one thing is certain: his grandmother is a huge Cleveland Indians fan. That wont continue. Spencer Strider Contract 2022 I sure would like to have more of a track record than a single season. Ya this was a massive overpay for his final 2 arb years even if they get 2028 and an option for 29. Im sure a non-GM telling someone they dont have what it takes to be a GM, carries a lot of weight! Sure, but then what if in those 2 years he continues putting up league-high K-rates, gets Cy votes (or wins), AS selections that increases his value exponentially, if he even wants to extend at that point. He will finish 2023 with 2 years and 3 days of service time not even close to the top 22% of players in his class. Legendary strawmans a better name for you. The 2022 Atlanta Braves played 162 games during the regular season, won 101 games, lost 61 games, and finished in first position. Enormous good sense like instead of his 2023 and 2024 contract only counting for $1M against the salary cap each year on a year-to-year deal, He now counts almost $15M against the cap even when hes making $1M a year. 2023 Pre Arb year $1 million (yes, MLB minimum is $700k) Inning 3: Salary-cap drafts Inning 4: Preparation . The only way this deal makes sense is if Burnes and Fried get paid over $75M between their final arb year and their first two years of Free Agency. I have faith in you to sign you right now. Deferred payments and incentive clauses are not included. Later in the season, he missed the season due to a torn UCL, which necessitated Tommy John surgery. Thats fair. Braves should stay as far away from Correas mercenary thoughts (and bad back) as possible. How do you know what hell be just as willing to do? Baseball Almanac is pleased to present a unique . But it would certainly not be enough to be among the top 22 percent of players in that class (the lowest the Super Two cutoff has been since 2009 is 2 years and 115 days after 2019). This is how you run an organization. Just here for Mets fans comments. Roy would give him a full year of service time but he already has the full year of service time. His great year does not guarantee future success as he has not sustained it for nearly long enough. Strong post NashvilleJ: thanks for mentioning the agent relationship angle. Before joining MLB, he was the top freshman at Clemson in 2018 and later missed the . Matt Harvey had a higher ERA and lower K/9 and higher BB/9 in his first season. Thats $25 mil. Salary Spencer Strider's salary is $710,000 per year, which includes a $0 signing bonus. Swanson is not as good as those guys. He definitely cant play 2B, and doubt hes any better at SS. 1 Freddie Freeman, 1B, LAD. Why dont you whine about how well the Braves evaluate, draft, and develop their players while youre trolling. 3rd year $25.5 mm, and From one English major to another, genius! Striders a freak athlete whos constantly striving to better his performance by physical training and analytic advancements. They lost in the playoffs, winning 101 games isnt a collapse. He only throws 100 MPH? Time on the injured list doesnt cut into a players service time, neither does short-term bereavement, COVID, or concussion protocols! As for your tech savvy argument, its a very simple. Most of the professional commentators (fwiw) picked the Braves on the basis that the Mets had yet to unthrone the kings. They are off on a lot of things, feel free too look me up, the site owner hates me for calling him out. Baez 14.5 WAR Yeah, then every utility bench player with a heart of gold should make $10-15M a year. All information these cookies collect is aggregated and therefore anonymous. All six of those players are now under club control through at least the 2027 season, giving the Braves a level of continuity and cost certainty that is unparalleled throughout the league. I feel great, Strider said. If the Braves can reposition themselves as Americas Team once again, all that peach juice will come flowing back. Braves righty Spencer Strider has been put on the 15-day injured list with a strained oblique muscle. Luckily for . Yep. Thing is Baez/Story both have been more consistent with their bats (even Baez, lol), while providing defensive value. There is nothing historically to say that even if they were absurdly expensive compared to other pitchers that it would even match what he was promised. Atlanta Braves pitcher Spencer Strider records a career-high in strikeouts. Sunday Funday is here, which means fantasy baseball waiver claims are, too. As the saying goes, a fool and his money will quickly part. The Mets performance was more surprising than the Braves. Also Read, Tom Stenberg, Cyrus Michael Christopher Dancy, and Morgane Stapleton. But not to worry, I did that for you. If you do not allow these cookies we will not know when you have visited our site, and will not be able to monitor its performance. Lets not get silly and act like the Braves ran away with it and were disrespected. The Marlins simply smell. This is the first season that he has looked really good and stayed healthy. He might not be worth what hes asking. Get over it already, your team choked, you should be used to Choketober and Choketember by now. Your proof of value starts with if. Ok I quickly read up on the bonus pool from the new CBA. Just a cup of coffee at the ML level. If they dont re-sign Swanson, theyre making a serious mistake. This Strider deal might be the most risky considering his short track record and the fragility of pitching in general, but its not for an amount that would hamstring the team. He wouldnt get anywhere near the same amount of extra money in bonuses, and thats assuming he remains good enough to get additional bonuses after this year. Now you all getting upset because Harvey was better then Strider at his stage of his career. Career 89 OPS+ the prior five seasons. This seems like something the MLBPA would endorse. DMC: Lol all you want, but Baez is nowhere near the hitter Swanson is. anybody signing Swanson for 6/120 will regret it. Why? Catcher Shea Langeliers and pitcher Spencer Strider, two of the top prospects in the Atlanta Braves organization, have joined the Gwinnett Stripers for the final five home games of 2021. Then you wont be signing him. I disagree with this because the Mets basically played .600 most of the season. There were talks mentioned in August and no deal was done. Thats great, except he still has to win a Cy Young, get multiple All-Star games, and or win Gold Gloves. From the official MLB site: To qualify for the Super Two designation, players must rank in the top 22 percent, in terms of service time, among those who have amassed between two and three years in the Majors. His market will drive up the price being one of the only 2nd tier options (behind pricier Boegarts, Trea Turner; Correa shouldnt opt out). For the fans sake, I hope ownership realizes the value of spending some money and they re-sign Swanson. Since 2019, He made $8 mil last year and $17 mil this year. Again, perhaps Im wrong, its my outsiders perspective. If he has any hope of living up to this contract, Strider will have to play the whole year on the MLB roster for 2023 without injuries. My response was, him being a star just makes it worth risking the $140M in assets! Talent and stats should already give a higher floor, they arent going to double that for the Julios, Adleys, and Spencers of the world. Thats the point but take it personal. early opt out year, incentives based on GG, SS, ASG, MVP votes. Hes most likely looking at something similar but a little less than what Bogaerts signed for. 11h. So $250M from a team in Texas is worth $175M, while the offer from the Yankees or Mets for $250M is worth only $150M due to the tax difference. Though for the sake of my Mets, I hope they penny pinch and let him walk, haha. "EXTENDED @Braves have signed RHP Spencer Strider to a six year contract extension worth $75M. ================================ MLB, Minor, College and summer league baseball stats along with biography, draft info, salary,transactions, awards and more! Win win for both sides. Ask Trevor Rogers who faceplanted in 2022. Contracts are not based on the back end, they area based on value as a whole. This year they got a weak season from Acuna, and they won 101 games and the division. Its also worth noting that Fried might take the offer Strider just got as a giant slap in the face since hes been leading the rotation for years and won a WS for Atlanta, while Strider hasnt even pitched enough innings to qualify for the ERA title. I expect to see him elsewhere next year. Watch our How-To Videos to Become a Stathead, Subscribe to Stathead and get access to more data than you can imagine. 1st year $7.225 mm Same is true for Strider, this deal doesnt include or exclude those pre-arb bonuses. Not two years. Strider kept it humble when discussing the extension with 'Bally Sports': The Atlanta Braves will begin their NLDS series against Bryce Harper and the Philadelphia Phillies on Tuesday. Strider took the mound to start . He was drafted in the 35th round of the 2017 MLB Draft by the Cleveland Indians, however, he did not sign a contract with them. This is smart timing, no surprise from AA. PLAYER. League figured him out quickly. Google elude. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/super-two-status-set-at-2-116-years-of-service.html. When multiple players including likely Judge, Turner, and Correa surpass 7 years with a $35 MM AAV will you come back and say you were wrong? The Braves and Swanson have publicly expressed mutual interest in a new contract, but getting something done would likely send the Braves soaring over the $200MM mark in terms of their bottom-line payroll while also pushing them into the general vicinity of the first luxury tax threshold for the first time ever. The difference is he was arb eligible a fourth time after 2020 rather than being a free agent outright. Now if the Braves had Kris Bryanted Strider he would have finished 2024 with just under 3 years of service time and would have been a Super Two that offseason, not the 23-24 offseason. Agree MFF. Strider was not on track to be a Super Two. Looking more immediately down the line, the Braves already have $153MM on next years payroll and nearly $110MM on the 2024 payroll. Go Braves! Luckily for the Braves, they have Strider under contract through 2029. Thats $57M add his one year of included free agency for $35M ($40M is bridge too far for me, sorry) and you have $92M roughly for 6 years. One thing is certain: he divides his time between the four MLB teams Spencer Strider- Birth, Age, Ethnicity, Siblings, Education The Braves have always gotten the day slots. The braves do like to buy out arbitration years where they can. Name guys that did as well as Strider. His decline in velocity at the end of his outing may just be a conditioning issue due to his inactivity. Do they really think someone is going to go subscribe to Apple TV (one of The Worst of the streamers) just to watch? You do need to add a year of FA to that because 6 years takes them through his first year of FA. Every FA in Swansons class is going to be more expensive than he will. Every Sports Reference Social Media Account, Site Last Updated: Saturday, March 4, 12:52AM. Wouldve been a massive overpay. Since Strider got a full year already based on service time it has no bearing here. Riley had two seasons under his belt, Olson five seasons and the Acuna and Ozzie contracts are both highway robbery for the Braves. No respect. If we remove his first-full season clunker in 2017 and fold in 2022, hes still only at a league-average 100. Doesnt take a genius to see which one is better for the team. If Strider happens to need TJS along the way then this deal would end up being upside down for Atlanta. 36. Strider returned from his injury in 2020 and was later picked in the fourth round of the MLB 2020 draft by the Atlanta Braves, with whom he eventually signed a contract. Login Here. @bravesnation nc Not my recollection at all, friend. I dont mute your kind, but I wont bother reading your insult laden rants in the future. Striders the first pitcher in MLB history to strike out over 200 hitters (202 Ks) and give up less than 100 hits (86.) Spencer Strider Position: Pitcher Bats: Right Throws: Right 6-0 , 195lb (183cm, 88kg) Team: Atlanta Braves (majors) More bio, uniform, draft, salary info 65 Become a Stathead & surf this site ad-free. Yes, the poor ownership of the past is directly related to the problem but that teams problem going forward will always been the fan support. Long-term extensions do not preclude a player from getting those bonus pool dollars pre-arbitration. They even got an opt out in the form of a cheap buyout if he crashes prior to his last year the Braves control. I was down there for that last Mets series and all I heard was silence from the Mets fan base Sunday night. Baez has been one of three most over rated players. Confirmation bias confirms nothing but poor process. Theres a reason Cohen has the money he has, and it isnt by being a fool October? $14M (2026) Harris, Strider, Riley, Ronald Acua Jr. and Olson are all signed through at least the 2028 season.