The Wolf Small rifle with the copper cup I've had failure to fire with my light striking bolt guns, but they go bang every time in my ar15. Here are the results of a test done to determine the brisance of primers. Cameron. The following are with 80 grains of VVN 165, same bullet On the other hand, if some of the primers that gave poorer results in your testing with a specific .308 load gave much better results with a different cartridge/powder/bullet weight, it would be much more difficult to make any general predictions that might allow a reloader to keep a stock of only two or three types on hand, one of which would be likely to give satisfactory results over a wide range of cartridges and powders. did the bedding, and installed a Leupold 4-12 X scope in Leupold mounts. Three shot groups. Freedom Is Never Free. It's higher than 30-30, and not much less than the 30-06. And get this, among ALL the primers tested, Rem 9M Magnum primers produced the lowest velocity, while Rem 9 LR (non-magnum) primers yielded the highest velocity. Also, though I did not retain the article, some years ago I recall an article in Shooting Times that addressed the hotness of primers. CCI No. We were using standard large rifle primers for all cases up Remington 9-1/2 Large Rifle Centerfire Primers - 100 Ct. No media assets available for preview. This keeps grains of powder out of the flash hole. The following are the results of a 308 Winchester, shot in 6,5 to 9,3 mm. I am currently shooting CCI BR2 primers in my .25-06, but feel like I may not be shooting a hot enough primer. 0000014925 00000 n
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From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. This extensive test is an important contribution to the knowledge base of precision shooting. 41 - Small Military Rifle Primers | 1,000 Count $ 119.99 $ 99.99. If you are shooting a 22 Cooper, Hornet, or a Bee, the .020" cup will perform admirably. 1.09K Views. If the brass has a large. Well done gentlemen, Share the post "Ultimate Large Rifle Primer Shoot-Out 16 Types Tested". The 7.6254mmR is a rimmed rifle cartridge developed by the Russian Empire and introduced as a service cartridge in 1891. Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. Gold Medal Centerfire Primer .205. This is likely a matter of conjecture. $115.00. rifle, chambered for the 338 Lapua. This another thing to consider in shooting. In Winchester testing labs, primers are constantly and rigorously tested for consistency and sensitivity at temperatures and conditions far beyond the range of normal usage. In other words, the steps were small indeed. And small rifle primers within the large. We thought we would run our own Out of stock. Three shot groups. FWIW, Dutch. 0000001157 00000 n
different case sizes. 4.5-7.4 .4832, 4Winchester WLRM 5.45 5.1-6.0 .2046, 5 Remington 9 1/2 LRM 5.09 3.5-6.75 .6641, 6 Winchester WLR 4.8
Size Large. In bolt action rifles, not semis. Three shot groups. Clive. Thanks! It seems to even out the ignition by eliminating a variable (sometimes with grains in and sometimes without
In firearms and artillery, the primer (/ p r a m r /) is the chemical and/or device responsible for initiating the propellant combustion that will push the projectiles out of the gun barrel.. primers could be tested at different temperatures under the same conditions to see if temperatures made any difference. We just wanted to The following are with 95 H 5010. For starters, based on the loads tested, which duplicate maximum published 6.5 Creedmoor loads with the bullets used, large-rifle primers are on average 19.66 percent better than small-rifle . NOTE: Values in chart are based on 15-Shot strings. Most of the tests were of 100 or more primers. Mother of All LR Primer Tests 0
CCI BR2 Large Rifle Primer 100-Pack $ 13 99 13 dollars 99 cents. Or if they are so constantly tweaking their formulas and mixes that the information we're looking for is too much of a moving target. For this we would leave some loaded rounds in the freezer, and Almost forgot, Saeed has some data too http://www.accuratereloading.com/primer.html, ------------------"it is up to God to judge these terrorists; it is up to us to arrange their meeting" Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, [This message has been edited by R-WEST (edited 02-09-2002).]. 10.3x60mm Rimmed LR Swiss 10mm Auto LP 11x59mm Rimmed LR French Gras 43 Mauser 17 Hornet SR Small pistol and rifle primers utilize a cup 0.175" in diameter, while large pistol and rifle primers measure 0.210" across. I used the CCI large pistol magnums primers, and they performed just like rifle primers, they didn't peirce, or flatten, ignited the rifle powder just fine. 0000053144 00000 n
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50 BMG (BMG) CCI - No.35. Get a Remington License Plate Frame for $1 with ammo purchase. rintable Burn Rate Chart. 4.1-6.0 .4300, 7 Remington 9 1/2 LR 4.75 3.7-6.25 .5679, 8 Fed Match GM210M 4.64 4.0-5.6 .3296, 9 Federal 210 LR 4.62
Rifle primers use tougher cups than pistol primers because the firing pin blow of rifles is usually harder than the firing pin blow . These primers use a heavier, thicker cup to withstand the more intense small-cased rifle cartridges such as the .222 and .223 Remingtons. This shows the pointer after a shot has been fired. An old rule of thumb suggests the use of magnum primers any time the powder charge is 60 grains or more. Interesting and informative article but it raises a couple questions in regards to Rem 6 1/2 that I've been unable to answer this far. What changed about the 6 1/2 to suddenly make it suitable only for low pressure cartridges? This charge fills the case to about half Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. Depending on your needs and expectations, they may be worth the extra cost. CCI 34 - 7.62mm Large Rifle Primers Box of 1 000 Limit 5 per customer. Cases larger than that we normally used magnum primers. Doesn't appear to work. 0000015264 00000 n
Air Rifle Accessories Air Rifle Bags Air Rifle Magazines Air Rifle Pellets Air Rifle Targets Air Rifles Co2 Air Rifles Hunting Air Rifles PCP Air Rifles Package Deals Target & Youth Air Rifles; Airsoft. JavaScript is disabled. brass. Three shot groups. once fired Weatherby brass and the Sierra 190-grain Match King bullet, molly While working my way through college at a local gun shop, I advised a customer frustrated with his inaccurate handloads to try match-grade primers. Lots of people had good luck with them. Compare Compare Now. Do not use these charts for load development. Large Rifle = LR, Large Rifle Magnum = LRM, Large pistol =LP, Brand/type Power Average Range Std. I just remembered people liking them. The brass colored wolf primers always fire fine in my bolt guns (and in my ar15 as well). To date, the best I approach have seen is that it is wise to have several primers that cover a range of brisance and simply test them empirically to find the one that works best with a particular load. German Salazar's pictures were taken in 2005. $7.30. Primer with Lowest ES/SD: Sellier & Bellot LR (12/3.1 fps) The new Russian
The test stand used in the link would be a good way to do this because it doesn't need powder and only measures the primer itself. I suspect they have a minor influence, but thats hunch not science! 210 Large Rifle Primers - 100 Count. Equipment reviews (.243 bullets, 30BR cartridge, 6mm Norma Improved, gun barrels, powders, primers, gunstocks, dies), accurizing, 1000yd ranges, ballistics . If you shoot a .308 Win, or any cartridge that uses a Large Rifle (LR) primer, you should read an important article by Laurie Holland in Target Shooter Magazine. Even though they dont recommend it? However, I have seen or heard of many examples where the the primer that gave the best results might not have been the one that would have been intuitively picked based on its brisance. It is obvious that the thicker cups will withstand more pressure. 0000002213 00000 n
Large Rifle 5,3 Boxer. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. The Test. Rifle cartridges 5,652 R and cal. a custom Remington 700 we have built ourselves. brass. 0000053767 00000 n
6mmBR.com is the best guide for 6mm BR Benchrest precision shooting, complete with 6BR FAQ, Reloading Data, Shooter Message Boards, Reader Polls, and Photo Gallery. They can cause primer piercing within stout loads in .223 Remington applications. NRA Member..SWCA Member..Semi-Retired, But Not Dead Yet. Fiocchi 616 Shotshell Primers #209 | 1,000 Count $ 89.99. This is the home made tester. hb``Pc`` CCI No. There are primer Brisance test that rate primers by there brisance (Heat) but as far as I know no one has checked them for heat sensitivity. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Primer burn rate(?) I quit shooting them years ago because they made a mess of the bolt face even with new W-W brass. It has a 27-inch barrel, and we installed a The following loads are with 41.2 grains of VVN 540, which I have not measures themperhaps your not seating them fully? McMillan synthetic stock. Primer Flash Test Photos. . Equipment reviews (.243 bullets, 30BR cartridge, 6mm Norma. We know that major seating faults definitely have an effect, but do minor variations in seating tension too? Some of Lauries results may surprise you. Primer sizes can be broken down as follows: Small rifle primers - which are about .175 inches in diameter and .120 inches tall. 0000007461 00000 n
effects on this. 2.6-3.5 .2090, 18 Fed Match GM150M 3.05 2.6-3.7 .2299. According to the same Internet sources, the Federal Gold Match Large Rifle Magnum primers (215M) are at the top of the list in terms of heat. 10. What is the pressure of a .44mag? All Rights Reserved. Laurie loaded .308 Win ammo* with 16 LR primer varieties and then tested for average velocity, ES/SD, and group size. Large Rifle 5,3 Boxer: Rifle cartridges 5,652 R and cal. $ 249.99. The amount of work involved to do the same test as you conducted herein would be immense, which is probably why it has never been published together as a single body of work. We had to stop our test at this stage, as our TRG-41 got Powder Burn Rate Chart; Primer Manufacturer Chart; Shellholder Chart; Bullet Abbreviations; User Loading Data. Thanks again for the excellent write-up and work! Compare Compare Now. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. 0000001728 00000 n
way up the neck. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. It is beyond question that switching primers can often improve (lower) ES/SD with a given load. 0000028040 00000 n
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<. But be sure to remove it before you pop a primer, thermometers propelled by the GI's wolf whistles and shattering on the walls of the ward. to be similar in burning rate. CCI "APS" Large Rifle Primers Strip . This is more visual and tells a good story too. Seating the Large Rifle primers in a standard Large Pistol pocket may cause high primers . In this case, it was a Federal large rifle magnum. If you used my "Benchmark/Baseline/95% Solution" load method, you'd know in a few shots if your new primer choice was hotter, cooler or the same. As Slamfire said, the #34 and #41 military hard primers likely will be more constant. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The following are the results of the 25-06 Remington, shot _gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-6323545-2']);
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the 3 frozen overnight. What is the pressure of a .44mag? New. If you are to use the taller Large Rifle primer, we recommend reaming the primer pocket deeper (.125"-.132"). So, don't take this as gospel but as a rough indicator. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Differences between primers are not equal - adjacent primers may be almost identical or much hotter/cooler. Are Wolf Primers still consistent? Five round with the RWS primers hang fired, including 2 of I know this powder is far too slow for this application, but we thought Total group size variance (from best to worst) was 0.27. All powder charges Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. CCI primers offer the reloader clean, reliable ignition. Editors Comment: Laurie shot three, 5-shot groups at 100 yards with each primer type. $7.99. Since these were readily available, I chose these two primers for use in this test. By contrast to the Fiocchis, they were an almost slack fit in the cases and this may have contributed to their consistent performance. Laurie Holland.